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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 21st, 2006 12:57 pm (UTC) |
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Re: I have greater joy!
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You have a severe mental disorder !
Your safeguard of no anger is moronic, If I comit a crime with no anger it is still a crime,
let us be sure here, Micheal pearl says he is sinless, that you too can be sinless, that beating your child shows it the road to salvation, funny I thought the teachings of Christ did that. Micheal Pearl advises to hide what you do, he has set himself up as a "God Agent" in his own words he is carrying out Gods work, a God Agent is just plain crazy, sorry, please post your name and address and we'll have the police round today, I am not posting mine as my life has been treatened by you lot....
Some gems from Micheal
“WE SHOULD AND CAN SIN NO MORE! ... I have been preaching AND LIVING this gospel of sanctification for many years. It is not a theory. It is practical, Scriptural reality” (“Living Parallel Lives in the Same Space” No Greater Joy, Jan.-Feb. 2005, p. 21).
More Micheal Madness;- Wife should have no friends, Sexual Abuse should be tolerated, Wife completely submits to husband, Children Submit to Parents > father. Any abuse should be tollerated as this is what God wants.
Come on which planet are these people on ?
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 25th, 2006 11:19 am (UTC) |
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No Greater Joy
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The anonymous option allows us to hopefully speak freely, to share thoughts that we normally would not express. While I don't agree with you, I would like to understand your point of view. I read the Pearl books and I don't see this abusive, fearfull teaching directly or implied.
I see comments on "tying strings", spending time with your child. Making him feel like he is great. As far as M. Pearl's views about the Bible, he has that right, in this nation, to preach and teach as he feels lead. Agree with him or not, that is not criminal. The question here is Did his book cause a woman to kill her child? I think that a smart defense lawyer would use whatever means necessary to do his job; which is to get this woman a not-guilty verdict. If she were on a drug, legal or illegal, known to cause irrational thoughts and behavior that would be a defense.
If she were part of a fringe politcal or religous group they could say she was brain-washed. Her attorney's job, since she cannot deny that she killed the child, is to spread the blame. I'm sure you see it all the time. "I'm not responsible for my actions, because.........." fill in the blank.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: May 12th, 2006 09:44 pm (UTC) |
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Pearls
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I make these comment for myself, my brother, and many other people I have talked to over the years.
I was beat as a child and I was "spanked", "disciplined", "switched", "hit" - whatever term you choose to use. There is a WORLD of difference to being spanked because I did something wrong, and I knew it, and being beat because my father was drunk. STOP SAYING THE TWO ARE THE SAME. My brother and I agree, we can laugh about the spankings, because "boy didn't we deserve that!", but we rarely speak about the beatings. I read in a very liberal parenting magazine years ago - "When you call spanking a child abuse, what then do you call raping a child? You can't call them the same thing." Do some people abuse their children in the name of "spanking" - of course. But don't say all parents who inflict pain on their children in the name of training or discipline are abusers.
The Pearls advocate switching, never in anger, only as a means to direct a child in the right direction. I have 7 joyful children, being raised by the methods advocated by the Pearls. I have many friends raising their children "in Christian love" who won't hit, spank, switch, or in other way touch their child in what they term "an unloving way." I wouldn't spend an hour in the room with their children, nasty, violent, manipultive brats that they are. The most violent children I know are never "hit" by their "loving" parents. I "switch" my children when needed (which isn't often) and I have children who love me and love others. I rarely leave the house with them without complete strangers commenting on how well behaved AND HAPPY they are.
Those of you who are blaming the teaching of the Pearls for this woman's crime of killing her child are fools. It would be like blaming the flight schools that taught the men who flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon for all the deaths that occurred on Sept. 11th. She was taught how to raise happy children, she didn't do as she was taught. I guess she wasn't well trained - too bad her mother didn't have the Pearls teachings and/or use them properly!
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: October 24th, 2006 10:30 pm (UTC) |
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No Greater Joy
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The Great God, the Lord of all the universe, the Creator of you and me and the rest of this world, loves me so much that He brought the ministry of No Greater Joy to me. Good friends of mine told me that I needed to read To Train Up A Child by Michael and Debi Pearl. Since this time, my life has changed. I love my children and husband more than ever before. I no longer live to please myself, I realize that there is much more that I am to live for. My children are being growing up in a sin-sick world. I see that my job is to teach my children how to live in this sin-sick world and be happy and succeed. "A child, left to himself, bringeth his mother to shame."- Proverbs. If a parent doesn't teach a child- who will? There are parents I know whose 4 year old has a television in her room with movies for her to watch whatever she wants whenever she pleases. Is that the kind of parenting that you would have us do? I want(as Michael Pearl has stated before) my children to be the people who are helping society, the ones who are giving, not the ones who are constantly needing help. If we leave our children to themselves, we cannot produce good citizens with character. What hurts more, a light tap with a switch on the hand or a burn from a stove? I have read many No Greater Joy newsletters and several books. Michael Pearl suggests tapping yourself with the switch first so that you know how hard you are tapping. If this lady, Lynn Paddock, killed her four year old precious boy, she was not tapping him with a switch. Noone has ever died from being tapped with a switch. The Pearls' ministry has absolutely nothing to do with this murder, Lynn Paddock chose to beat her son and killed him. Lynn Paddock should receive the death penalty for her actions, and her precious, other children should be given to a loving family. Mrs. Cake- thankyou! I hope you can see through the people who have written in support of the Pearls that the fact that she had read some of their material does not mean that the Pearls are responsible in any way for Lynn Paddocks' cruel and unexcusable actions to her precious child that is now in the comfort of our loving God. Just so you know, I have written this to you while all of my children are with me. I only had to stop for a moment to stop a small disagreement between two of them! That is great! They are not watching television or a movie either. One is playing a computer game, one is playing connect its and the baby is sleeping. Many times a week, we are found on the living room floor with our boys playing a game together(something I hardly got to do as a child). We just went to a museum as a family last week(we had such fun playing with our children there). They watch their daddy clean his game after he comes back from hunting, and they are learning that you can provide your own food without depending on anything else. We have a garden together, and they learn that work is good and you reap your labor."Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.", in more ways than one. We wash dishes together and they are learning that it takes work to live. We make delicious meals together and they learn that someone makes all the food that we eat and it can and is fun to cook, the reward is even more fun- eating it! My sweetheart four year old sweeps my floor and does a nice job. The things that hurt me as a child were not spankings that I knew I deserved for my wrong doing(sin).("To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.") It was when my Dad and Mom yelled at me and lost their temper and were wrongfully mean and angry. When they were "too busy" watching television to play a game with me or play catch with me. Those were the things that broke my heart and drove me from them and from wanting to please them. If you love your chidren, correcting them is more like teaching them. If the relationship is right, your child has complete trust in you, knowing that you would never cause them harm or teach them wrong. Mrs. Cake, I hope you see that the Pearls' ministry is actually a great and extremely helpful ministry to thousands of families out there. Please do not criticise or question their teaching until you have read it all for yourself. Thankyou! :)
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: October 31st, 2007 06:57 am (UTC) |
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Why we don't like the Pearls
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Speaking only for my own family, we did not go after the Pearls. They came into our lives through distribution of their book at church. This led to a terrible conflict in our family and very young babies being hurt by their parents who followed advice to whip small infants (twins). Michael Pearl has referred to people opposing him as demon-possessed and as all being lesbians. I know for a fact that Christian women and MEN in my family tried to contact him to discuss the terrible situation in my family. There was no response. Please realize that everything you read by him and his family, including letters to them, are edited by them to present the picture they want to portray to their customers. If you read his claims on his website you would think that all his children are "pastors and church leaders" and that he is the pastor of a regular church with a board overseeing his nonprofit agency. Yet a reporter from Salon.com found that he has a tiny church of a few dozen people, with 1/3 of church being his own children. So who is on this board overseeing a very profitable business? What churches do his children lead and serve as pastors for? Why do so many of his children run Internet businesses linked at one time or another from the nonprofit No Greater Joy website? In one particularly strange example, there was a link to a "canned hunting" operation run by one of his sons (I know many hunters and none would consider such an operation to be ethical). This link has since been taken down, but I fail to see why a nonprofit Christian organization is promoting for profit businesses. The fact that the Pearls' children agree with them does not prove that their methods are safe or healthy. As far as I can tell, most or all of their children have profited in some way from the No Greater Joy business through links to their own Internet businesses, by serving as staff or writers for the publications, etc. And children often adopt the child rearing methods used by their own parents, but that doesn't mean that the methods were good or that they should be presented as "God's way".
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: September 16th, 2008 11:27 am (UTC) |
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Pearls
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Anyone wanting to raise their children in a Christian way ought to know that you never just take some guy's word for how to raise them. It's fine to read books, watch dvds, etc, but always search your Bible before deciding what right or wrong. What does the Holy Bible say about raising children? To love them, to teach them all day about God, about staying away from trouble, how to work hard and support a family,that a rod of correction will drive foolishness far away from the child, and will not kill them. What do the books,cds and dvds from the Pearls teach? How to love them, homeschool them, show them what becomes of people that are lazy, how to work, how to train a child by letting it know from an early age that if they do wrong, they won't like what happens. They never say beat a child. In fact they stress that for small ones, a firm "no!" and perhaps a slight pop on the hand is enough, just to let them know whatever they were doing is wrong. I've watched/read most of their materials, usually with a Bible open in my lap, to double check them.
Kids need to obey. It could be that a child is saved from danger by obeying a order from their parents one day. "stop" may prevent a snake bite,getting hit by a car, etc. Some little ones would surely ignore that word and be hurt, if they weren't taught to obey from the start.
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